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the three-dragons meme, with matrix and signal being left and middle, very serious and powerfully looking, while chatmail is the third dragon looking more dumb but also more enjoying themselves?

2025-12-11 11:28:01

delta@chaos.social

#chatmail relays really are the dumbest messaging servers in town, but having fun with each other 😂 https://chatmail.at/doc/relay

2025-12-11 12:12:37

Kenny

kbruen@procial.tchncs.de

@delta@chaos.social You wouldn't think that looking at how complicated it is to get a Chatmail relay up compared to getting a Matrix homeserver up.

2025-12-11 12:18:55

adb

adbenitez@mastodon.social

@kbruen well I guess that is a matter of opinion? because this other person is saying totally the opposite:

https://mastodont.cat/@spla/115695352523381418

and besides that, setup is something you do only once, the real struggle comes next, I have never self-hosted matrix but see people complaining or even de-federating due to server burden, while I do host a #chatmail server with +8k users in a 5eur VPS using 1.2gb of ram and 19gb of disk, now try the same with #matrix

I am total noob self-hoster btw

@delta

2025-12-11 12:24:36

adb

adbenitez@mastodon.social

@kbruen for example, here you have an article of someone that has been selfhosting matrix for 5 years:

https://yaky.dev/2025-11-30-self-hosting-matrix/

@delta

2025-12-11 12:33:59

Kenny

kbruen@procial.tchncs.de

@adbenitez@mastodon.social @delta@chaos.social That article doesn't seem to say much of anything about getting the server up and running.
Self hosting using Conduit is as easy as running an executable as a service, then configuring a reverse proxy to point to it. Very easily done with a systemd service, very easily done with a Docker container.
The only documented method to self host a Chatmail relay is to run a magical deploy script that has SSH access to the root account. Root access for a script is unacceptable unless it's the only thing running on that machine, and I don't want to dedicate a machine to Chatmail only.

2025-12-11 12:40:43

Delta Chat

delta@chaos.social

@kbruen @adbenitez we are not claiming that the current setup is fit for everyone's usage. especially more professional admins or self-hosters might struggle a bit if they want to adapt things. The setup of a relay on some remote host indeed currently assumes it controls the whole machine/vm. Locally there is no root-needed to run "cmdeploy run". In any, there is currently no big lack of relays. Using existing ones is no sin. relays are not hosting identities.

2025-12-11 12:49:43

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

chris@im.allmendenetz.de

@Delta Chat

relays are not hosting identities

so can we now switch for one relay to another easily?

2025-12-11 13:07:13

Kenny

kbruen@procial.tchncs.de

@delta@chaos.social @adbenitez@mastodon.social

indeed currently assumes it controls the whole machine/vm

Not an ideal asumption for self hosting

Locally there is no root-needed to run "cmdeploy run"

Well that doesn't seem documented

Using existing ones is no sin

It's not, but using existing ones opens up someone to not being able to chat when the existing relays go down for maintenance

2025-12-11 13:08:24

XMPP Brasil

xmppbrasil@mastodon.social

@delta xmpp and chatmail 👍🏼

Matrix and signal 👎🏼