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the three-dragons meme, with matrix and signal being left and middle, very serious and powerfully looking, while chatmail is the third dragon looking more dumb but also more enjoying themselves?

2025-12-11 11:28:01

delta@chaos.social

#chatmail relays really are the dumbest messaging servers in town, but having fun with each other 😂 https://chatmail.at/doc/relay

2025-12-11 12:12:37

Kenny

kbruen@procial.tchncs.de

@delta@chaos.social You wouldn't think that looking at how complicated it is to get a Chatmail relay up compared to getting a Matrix homeserver up.

2025-12-11 12:18:55

adb

adbenitez@mastodon.social

@kbruen well I guess that is a matter of opinion? because this other person is saying totally the opposite:

https://mastodont.cat/@spla/115695352523381418

and besides that, setup is something you do only once, the real struggle comes next, I have never self-hosted matrix but see people complaining or even de-federating due to server burden, while I do host a #chatmail server with +8k users in a 5eur VPS using 1.2gb of ram and 19gb of disk, now try the same with #matrix

I am total noob self-hoster btw

@delta

2025-12-11 12:24:36

adb

adbenitez@mastodon.social

@kbruen for example, here you have an article of someone that has been selfhosting matrix for 5 years:

https://yaky.dev/2025-11-30-self-hosting-matrix/

@delta

2025-12-11 12:33:59

Kenny

kbruen@procial.tchncs.de

@adbenitez@mastodon.social @delta@chaos.social That article doesn't seem to say much of anything about getting the server up and running.
Self hosting using Conduit is as easy as running an executable as a service, then configuring a reverse proxy to point to it. Very easily done with a systemd service, very easily done with a Docker container.
The only documented method to self host a Chatmail relay is to run a magical deploy script that has SSH access to the root account. Root access for a script is unacceptable unless it's the only thing running on that machine, and I don't want to dedicate a machine to Chatmail only.

2025-12-11 12:40:43

Delta Chat (39c3)

delta@chaos.social

@kbruen @adbenitez we are not claiming that the current setup is fit for everyone's usage. especially more professional admins or self-hosters might struggle a bit if they want to adapt things. The setup of a relay on some remote host indeed currently assumes it controls the whole machine/vm. Locally there is no root-needed to run "cmdeploy run". In any, there is currently no big lack of relays. Using existing ones is no sin. relays are not hosting identities.

2025-12-11 12:49:43

𝓒𝓱𝓻𝓲𝓼

chris@im.allmendenetz.de

@Delta Chat

relays are not hosting identities

so can we now switch for one relay to another easily?

2025-12-11 13:08:24

XMPP Brasil

xmppbrasil@mastodon.social

@delta xmpp and chatmail 👍🏼

Matrix and signal 👎🏼